(She has removed her entire thread) While she’s on her way out, LOOK at her prices!!!!!! Holy Cow!!!!
“1 h Consultation by Skype or by Phone- 99 $, in Person- 129 $.
3, 6 or 9 month programs available- 195 $ a month, including two 1 hour consultations every month and free e-mail support during the program.
I am also available for Group Home/Private and Public Speaking Events,- 149 $ an Hour.”
I know this is a bit out of topic but I think it’s something that all of us will agree ( Vegans, Vegetarians and Omnivores) that needs to be solved.
We just need to support this and leave our names to this cause:
http://sumofus.org/campaigns/shell-kiobel/?sub=fb
This is to prevent Dole ( A company known to sell bananas and other tropical fruits).
Lets make the world a little less cruel:)
Hi everyone
Few days ago I wrote a ‘hi’, with a mild defence of the 30BAD site. But, like many of you here, have to say that things have gone to far, so…I’m with you!
Carrie here directed to us a post from a long-time 30BAD member, who couldn’t understand why she had gained lots of weight and felt awful, despite maintaining 3000 (!) calories a day.
I said that it was quite simple – she was consuming too many calories!
I quoted from Doug Graham’s book ‘The 80/10/10 Diet’ as follows:
Healthy (athletic) people: ‘This means, for instance, that a 150-pound man who uses 1500 calories as his baseline should also use at leat another 1500 calories in his activities for the day, on average, for a total of 3000 calories.’
I pointed out that she was not a 150-pound man and that she didn’t sound athletic (she was so overweight and feeling so dreadful she didn’t feel like being athletic!).
Doug also says: ‘a sedentary woman who weighs 130pounds must eat about 1300 calories…to maintain body weight..needs another 260 calories to meet her physical needs…would need to eat food that supplied about 1560 calories per day.’
I further quoted from Doug Graham (p170): ‘To give you an example of the volume of fruits and vegetables required, let’s say you need about 2000 calories per day.’ (And asked her to note that he’s speaking to both men and women here).
In short, Doug Graham is not advocating a woman who is not a triathlon athlete eat 3000 calories a day! I also pointed out that Natural Hygiene says that eating in excess of hunger/appetite (not necessarily the same thing) is enervating and will lead to problems.
Anyway, I’ve just received notice from ‘Rawbert’ (whoever he is) as follows:
Dear Debbie,
Your reply was deleted because of guideline violation.
Please do not make calorie recommendations outside of our guidelines.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Rob and the 30bad Team.
So, my advice to this poor overweight girl, that she shouldn’t be eating 3000 calories a day, (based on what Doug says in his book, totally in line with Natural Hygiene, not to mention totally in line with common sense, has actually been DELETED so she’s not even able to read it. Perhaps someone still on there could pass a link to this site to her?)
I honestly didn’t realise that 30BAD had become so completely insane. I used to be able to post helpful advice like this and never were my posts deleted!
Harley, Freelea – sorry, but if you actually support what this twit ‘Rawbert’ has just done, have to say we can no longer see eye to eye. (BTW I have followed a 90-100% high fruit raw food diet for 6-7 years now, successfuly, so know a little of what I speak!)
This is a bit ironic, considering how brutal some vegans can be in their opinion of “meat eaters”…
You would not BELIEVE the amount of stupid emails/private messages/etc. my fiancee and I have received since introducing a little bit of SUPER-ETHICAL eggs/dairy and wild/sustainable fish! Like religious zealots trying to save my soul! Worse than door-to-door bible thumping! People I have NEVER met, but have seen me post in forums, want to jump in counsel me to stop me from the insane decision of eating meat! *facepalm*
I was vegetarian for nearly a decade, and vegan for most of that. I ended up REALLY SICK. Since I started adding some animal products, I haven’t had a SINGLE heart palpitation or a panic attack! I feel so much better. It was like waving a magic wand. (I’m still pampering my adrenals, but that takes time.)
I’m not supporting factory farming (vegetarians still do this with conventional dairy). I’m not supporting slash-and-burn GMOs (lots of vegans support that and don’t realize). I am consciously doing what is best FOR MY HEALTH, and doing a great job of existing synergistically with the planet in the meantime! So who cares?! What is the BIG DEAL??
Apparently, THESE PEOPLE care. The best kind of advice is unsolicited. My best girl friend won’t even answer my emails if I mention dairy. There are other ones that shut down in the middle of rational conversation and just say, “Well, *I* don’t EAT dairy.”
I’ve been pretty honest and open with the changes I’m making, and all my coworkers, other just normal people in my life? They’ve been SO supportive! Not a single one (even the ones who would playfully razz about not eating meat) said, “I told you so!” Or insisted I had “broken down,” or anything stupid like that.
This had shaken my faith in all those people who say they want to do good things for the planet. A lot of them straight up act like idiots. It’s the equivalent of sticking fingers in your ears and yelling, “LA LA LA LA LA!” when someone says something you don’t like. Or, in fact, begins to thrive on something they don’t like. Nobody wants to think about anything. This highlighted a kind of superiority complex that exists in lots of vegans, when I didn’t want to think this was so. Apparently, friendships only mean so much.
Anyway, I’m sorry, this is just a rant. My boyfriend has gotten straight-up hatemail from fruitarians telling him that the only reason he started eating meat was because he needed to feel good about his manhood by killing animals. WTF is up with that???
I am SO disappointed… is all. And so glad I’m not a part of that anymore. WHEW.
Way off topic, but a topic very relevant to my thoughts as of late. I’ve been thinking a ton about how I want to live my life into the future. The thought of having children is absolutely horrid to me at the moment (within most context’s). So partly rant this post shall be. All constructive input appreciated!
Having kids for the sake of having kids is a terrible idea to me. If you want to spread your love n joy around then get a pet. How many people with mighty passions in their hearts really wants to sacrifice their joys for anything but another equal joy? Not me. Children are a huge investment in resources, and unless you’re paradigm supports it it’s definitely not a good choice to have children. Unfortunately the goal of having children is so instilled in people’s brains nowadays that they’re kinda putting the cart before the horse.
I wouldn’t want to have a child in modern society unless I was very secure in the foundations of modern society (I’m definitely not). Security in energy sourcing is huge for me since energy sources are the very foundation of the potential in which you can work and grow. Don’t want to commit myself unless I can feel emotionally reassured by the decision. When you live in a world where you can barely breastfeed your baby past 6mo and not take a 1.5 hr lunchbreak to eat your food at a leisurely pace that’s not a society I want to commit another child to. Evil dang corporations.
At the moment there’s only 1 context I can see myself having kids in. Living on some sort of farm. Why? Because it simply makes sense. Now I don’t want to seem like some moraless mechanic heathen, but it simply makes sense logistically. Take my current situation….. I work enough hours to support the house + all my needs, but it sucks when I have to come home and cook myself dinner + wash dishes + wash clothes + pickup stuff for the house all by myself after a 11 hr grueling physical workday. In that case it’s practical to have someone around the house (preferably in a French Maid outfit) to fill in those little gaps. Hell, me and my co-worker were joking around about Russian mail-order brides and I actually Googled it today out of curiosity. I mean if the prices were cheap I could simply use a 1-2 year contract for someone to do all the basic chores (nothing else you sickos).
Like that example it’s purely practical to have children in the context of a farm. Milking cows, washing dishes, peeling potatoes, winnowing grains, all of those aspects of life which are so basic to your existence can be accomplished by children. The opportunity cost of a muscular adult milking a cow vs. a child is simply grossly inefficient. I have a dream where I can own an 100 acre plot of land that will be there for generations to come. A place in the world where you don’t have to worry about bullshit bosses, corporate drama, and the everlasting dependence on big ego’s running the show. I want a home where I can plant an apple tree because I won’t have to relocate due to a lost job. Ya know? Some peace and security into the future in this crazy world.
Not everyone has my same paradigm so of course I can’t expect everyone to have the same feelings about children.
So the next rationale question for me was, what methods do you use to pass down your inheritance? That’s a toughie….. create a preservation society, children, NPO, ????? It’s a question which has been asked throughout the ages.
The ancient cultures have dealt with it in a way which I think is more “truthful” than how we deal with it in the 21st century. Arranged marriage.
Let’s get the facts straight off hand. Marriage =/= Love. Love = Love. Marriage is an 100% legal institution that largely deals with inheritance and economic development. If the world was a Garden of Eden with limitless food / shelter / necessities there would be no such thing as marriage. There would only be the basic emotional fluxes of love / hate / jealousy.
As an ideal I hope that I can build up a community of people with enough like-mind to carry out a plan of existence 300 years into the future. That would help secure my ideals for the generations to come. A haven for my ideals you could say. But marry the one you love?
Marriage has traditionally been used as a “power tool”. To strengthen ties between families, to help join together economic ventures, etc. This is not wrong, but completely right, because remember, Marriage =/= Love. Marriage is a legal binding which joins 2 people together economically. Yet marriage is an ancient tradition. In modern times it’s not “necessary” to marry to secure yourself financially into the future with other people. We can do that through contracts, wills, etc. Now I’m not saying that it’s wrong to marry the person you love. Trying to support the person you love almost naturally leads to the need to marry. But you see, this is where the “legal contracts into the future” end. At least in modern society. That effect is significantly there because society is so fragmented and ever-shifting today that bonds can’t ever seem to last into the future. It would be nice to have a place in this world where you can grow a community for generations. It’s nearly impossible it seems in this modern hyper-shifting lifestyle.
The reasons I’ve mentioned above are some of the reasons why I support gay marriage. If you wade through all of the mythological bullshit proposed by religion marriage is a purely legal institution. As an institution that involves legal economic agreements between 2 people it makes 0 sense to bar people from accessing the institution, especially since it’s easy to adopt children nowadays to carry on your inheritance.
Just trying to wash away the myths proposed by our culture and ponder about new models of living, ya know?
!~~~~~Comments welcome~~~~~! *Constructive only plz*
How long did it take to get it back? What do you feel like helped? How did you KNOW when it was back?
Mine is like… dead as a doornail. And it’s awful because I’m with someone… who is, fortunately, insanely patient about the whole thing. :X
It’s been three weeks since I’ve added animal products, started some adrenal support and wild yam cream. I haven’t had any weird period spotting post-ovulation (which is a marker of grossly low progesterone, so everything I’ve started has at least STOPPED that)… but… still no libido!!
It’s really frustrating. :( I know lots of people here mention they lost it with 811, and then got it back… but I was wondering if anyone could be kind enough to share some personal details? Perhaps some encouragement? :) Thanks!
Banned for daring to ask;
“@Durianrider. Are you a paid spokesperson for Odwalla Mango Tango, a Coke a Cola company product? Is the recent and often mention of the product in your videos part of a testimonial advertising campaign? Are you payed in any way for your mention of this product? Do you receive any remuneration, goods or services in exchange for the mention of this product?
I know how you feel about ‘hucksters’, ‘snake oil salesmen’ and those using their trusted image to sell products without being openly honest or disclosing any commercial arrangements, so I thought that you might appreciate this opportunity to explain or disclose any arrangement between you and the makers or promoters of this product.”
Sick of the censorship when questioning the obvious contradiction between a health advocate supporting drug use in sport, I post;
“Durianrider, vegan activist and drugs in sport apologist will be speaking today at WFF (Woodstock fruit festival). His topic will be ‘How to spend 10mins talking about something, then use only 5 words like “I’m not saying it’s right” and convince people that you’re not pro drugs’ This talk is sponsored by Coke a cola, makers of cooked mango juice and the Livestrong foundation, promoting the use of performance enhancing drugs both pre and post cancer as a good idea, and caring little for the consequences. Critical thinking and mobile phones not allowed. Free Kool aid will be provided for a small compulsory donation of $50US. Mastercard and Paypal also accepted.”
And…
“Mr Rider’s M.O. First, big note yourself like you’re an authority on the subject, drop some vague references, misrepresent sneaking into a training ride to make it sound like you “trained with Lance”. Then make sweeping generalisations, laugh at those who might not agree as if they are stupid, suggest that the efforts to keep sport clean are a waste of time and money, use emotive terms like ‘witch hunt’ all because you don’t like the outcome or findings, come to the conclusion that “if everybody is doing it” that that somehow a) makes it ok b) makes existing rules null and void and therefore not worth enforcing c) that all cheats cheat the same way, ergo there must be a “level playing field”.
Cheating is also ok if you build a scam charitable foundation (not one cent of funds raised by Livestrong goes to cancer research. The majority does to ‘cancer awareness‘ whatever that is). Then use silly analogies that fail miserably when considered with a little more than a zealots zeal. And you need to be a zealot to last the duration of a 10min vid and not shake your head laughing at the rapid fire succession of contradictions. It wouldn’t be so bad if I was laughing with you, sadly, that’s not the case.
Lastly, to illustrate my point. If Monsanto started a small organic produce wing to their business, would that make their other ventures ok? How about if Coke a cola made a quality organic juice that constituted 0.0000000001 of their market revenue. Would that make their other business practices ok? Could you ignore their sins because they payed a minuscule amount back? Could you forget the many victims of their greed? Of course you can, and do. Enjoy your cooked mango juice as you rally support for the biggest drug cheat in sporting history. I’ll remember the clean athletes you and the fanboys forget in favour of your insatiable desire for a fake idol. This topic, more than any other, shows the failings of your character.”
Only joking mate, you’re great. (5 words, just like you. Did I do good, well did I?)
At this point I no longer cared. If you’re going to be censored, might as well be for a good reason!
“Hey DR, I need your advice. When your girlfriend asks “Does this ridiculous melon outfit look good on me?” Do you tell the truth or lie?”
What’s happened to DR, he’s turned into such a soft cock? He hides from debate, censors comments that question, and now it seems that he has sold out to the Coke corporation.
He and David Wolfe will be golf buddies before you know it.
What a shame that he has associated himself with the vegan movement. Maybe he can be distanced by insisting that he’s a fruitarian, “they’re different to normal vegans, they’re bat shit loopy”.
His legacy may well be to leave another indelible dubious brown stain like many ‘vegan gurus’ before him.
Discuss.
so, i was a moderator at 30bad for a few years and i’ve still got my membership but we’ll just have to see how long that lasts. at present, it’s an excellent platform with which to educate people about nutrition, fitness, animal rights and a few other topics that i really enjoy, but if they decide to kick me out that’s fine.
lately i’ve been causing quite a stir by advising members to take a hemp protein supplement (which is really just ground hemp seeds, totally within the guidelines of 30bad policies) in addition to their hcrv diet (a term that i actually coined). the reason i advise this is that the ever-so-modest WHO recommendations for protein intake is 0.83 grams per kilogram of bodyweight. at my body mass (68 kilos) i would need to consume 4500 calories a day on the 30bad recommended 5% protein regimen in order to meet the WHO standard.
research on athletes has shown that an even greater need for protein is required for people looking to build new muscle mass. one study done back in 1975 showed that a diet of 0.9g protein/kg of bodyweight does not support protein synthesis, whereas a 1.4g regimen did boost catabolism, while the 2.4g group saw no more increased muscle growth than the 1.4g category. so at a certain point, yes protein intake does become redundant, but this does not mean that “protein is not an issue”, as has been stated so many times at 30bad.
freelee has spammed me with nine separate messages so far (she couldn’t just write it all in one go, apparently, she has to bombard my inbox with her castigating messages), explaining that for promoting a product that isn’t even banned by their guidelines, my status as a PK was revoked, and my membership itself is being threatened.
really, a raw vegan diet should be totally sustainable for anyone who consumes enough calories and balances their macros properly. there’s just no reason why the same nutrients from cooked food would be more satiating, and there’s no reason why there should be people complaining that 3000 calories a day is leaving them starving and aching for ice cream and brownies, when they felt satiated with a daily caloric intake of 2000 on an SAD regimen. when these people switch to a mcdougall-esque routine, their protein intake doubles and all of a sudden dieting becomes a breeze.
due to so many failures on 30bad, largely on account of people not being able to afford to double and triple their grocery bills in order to meet freelee and harley’s ludicrous calorie recommendations (i’ve seen DR go so far as to say that if you recommend that someone not consume 8000 calories a day, you’re promoting calorie restriction), 30bad now advises a high-carb cooked vegan diet as a second-best alternative. i’ve done this in the past, and i found that i needed fewer calories in order to feel full. why? in retrospect, i theorize that it’s because my protein intake was greatly increased. six bananas is half a meal for me. six boiled potatoes is a challenge. the calories are about the same, but protein makes the difference.
but hey, not a single one of them is going to listen to any of that. they’ve got their policy fixed, so that makes them invulnerable to learning, right?
“But I’m vegan/vegetarian, Beez! Dafuq is wrong with you?!”
Calm down. Sit. Stay a while. I’m about to offer some solid advice that will allow vegans and their vegetarian kin to actually help animals by doing what they go on about endlessly – voting with their money.
First off, we have to recognise a very simple fact; meat consumption isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Despite the best efforts of many veg-folk (I’m not gonna write vegan and vegetarian every time I try to refer to them. Doen out of laziness, not disrespect) meat consumption is probably on the increase, since I’d say the rate of population growth immensely dwarfs the rate of veg-folk increasing in said populations. The fact that “voting with your money” isn’t working is also evident in our local towns; for me, the fact that the Veg-folk of my home town isn’t working is evident in the fact that, in just one area, there are 3 major supermarkets, each one a stone’s throw from one another, with massive meat sections. There are also several fish and chip and other food joints in this same square, and several of these have opened up in the past few years and had thriving business.
So, like I said, meat consumption isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
The solution? And by that I mean, “the more effective, significant solution?” Simple; buy free range/organic meat and eggs. I don’t give a damn if you just buy a box of eggs per week or a buy out everything they have at the store you’re in. Hell, you could do whatever you want with it – offer it to people as you leave the shop, bin it or, if you’re really nice, offer it to a local homeless shelter – god knows they could put it to good use.
“But why would I do this? I’m on of the veg folk!!”
Remember how we talked about how meat consumption isn’t going to drop drastically anytime soon?
Well, that fact means that more meat is being produced.
Remember those lovely pictures and videos of animals being beaten, raised in horrible conditions and even being left to die in their own shit? Well, that’s ONE way of farming meat. It’s not the only way, and I’m sure you’d agree that it’s not the best way. It is, however, the cheapest way. It being the cheapest way means it sells for less. It selling for less means it will be bought more. It being bought more means it’s more likely to become standard practice amongst farmers. If you pay more for better farming methods, you support those methods. If you campaign for better farming methods, you support those methods. If you support those methods, you make it more likely for them to become standard practice, and in turn for animals to be treated infinitely better. But if you buy nothing, you passively support crueller farming methods, since you’re not actively supporting either side of the fence, and thus allow the majority of consumers, who may very well buy factory-farmed meat, to outweigh those that pay for more better farmed meat.
If you believe in “voting with your money” then you can’t possibly disagree with me. If you believe that what people pay for influences what and how certain goods are produced, then you believe that buying factory farmed meat allows it to continue. Likewise, you must logically believe that buying ethically farmed meat supports it and allows it to continue. And if you are doing nothing, then, logically, you are passively voting for cruelty towards animals, since you are allowing factory-farmed meat to dominate the market.
Therefore, if you truly believe that you can influence the way animals are treated, and if you pull your head out of the sand and realise meat consumption isn’t going away, despite the best efforts to the contrary, then the only logical option you’re left with is to support methods which raise animals for meat consumption is the most humane way, whehter by buying and/or campaigning in favour of free range/organic animal products.
I welcome any opposing viewpoints, and hope that this realisation spurs those of you who deeply care about animals to be able to do more about it than just voice your opinion on the internet.
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