I am the guy in the picture. Transitioning into HCRV is extremlly hard and highly involved, it is much more complicated then just eating fruits and vegtables. Hence why this site 30bad sucks was created. There are just so many ways to fail, but the benifits are amazing once you overcome the obsticals. I have been on this lifestyle for 9 years and if you need help you can message me on my facebook at ….”ornge ornge juice”….note that orange is spelled wrong at ornge, this is very important or you will not find me. I will keep anyneo I help’s information confidential as each person has a unique path to transitioing into HCRV based on many factors past and current. Detox is highly complex and not as linear as one thinks.
I came across 30BAD when looking up vegan diet tips on YouTube. It was there that I discovered FreeLee and immediately became curious about this magic HCRV lifestyle. The more research I did on it, the greater it appeared to be. I found tons of success stories and plenty of people praising this “miracle lifestyle choice”. I was impressed by the results that FreeLee got and immediately wanted to learn more.
I visited 30BAD and all of the members seemed to be friendly, encouraging, and had a wealth of information to share. I was so excited about this diet, I even purchased the EBook for $25 since there wasn’t much I could find on google besides personal reviews. (this should have been my first warning sign) I even applied to the 30BAD website so that I could interact with other members.
I started to read the book and realized it was complete and utter bullshit. None of the “medical information” provided was actually accurate and it was ridiculous that they were claiming medical professionals and nutritionists don’t know what they were talking about. I looked at the foods that these people ate everyday, and I don’t understand how people afford to eat so much? And they imply that pretty much everything has to be organic. I’m a college student and there is no way in hell that I could afford that. It’s not only unrealistic, it’s also not very healthy. Noone can survive off of this diet; they are pretty much brainwashing people to live off of a sugar high so they don’t realize what’s going on here. They are eating barely any vegetables and not absorbing the proper nutrients that they need.
I realized that 30BAD was pretty much an internet cult. My application was denied to 30BAD because I wasn’t living a HCRV lifestyle YET. I stated in my application that I WANTED to, I just didn’t have enough education on it and I wanted to join the website to learn more from the community. They didn’t accept me because I wasn’t one of them.
Pretty much, I got too excited and was blinded by the false promises they made to realize what a scam it actually was. In the end, I was left feeling like an idiot and was out $25. At least I learned a lesson and will definitely never fall for anything like that again. The more I read about FreeLee, Durian Rider, and the HCRV followers, the more disgusted I am by what phonies they are. (Holden Caulfield moment :p)
I am just posting this story to warn anyone who is captivated by this “miracle lifestyle” that it is a SCAM. Save your time and money.
From reading around here and 30BaD its clear that some people do actually gain considerable weight on this diet and im interested in exactly what kind of % this roughly represents. Do females tend to gain more than males? How many people stay the same weight? The thing I am most trying to understand is why some people fatten easily on high-carb diets and others do not.
Im also curious why this HCRV diet tends to be overtly popular with young females, particularly late teens and 20 somethings. This seems to be in stark comparison to low-carb/atkins which tends to be very popular with older and middle-aged women.
The following is something I posted in the 30bad forum as truly a cry for help.
The link, so you can check out the comments - http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/severe-adrenal-fatigue-with-hcrv?xg_source=activity
And my actual post, in case that thread gets deleted (which it may!) Read on–
“I started out HCRV in April. Everything was going great. I lost a few pounds and could really pack in the calories with the scale not budging. I remember very early on literally just jumping up and down in my kitchen bursting with energy. I went to a company softball team practice and remember jumping up and down in the outfield just waiting for a ball to come my way. A few months passed I and I grew more and more tired. I took this as being “undercarbed” and seriously upped the bananas and dates. I was eating more than I ever had before, cramming greens in at every second, drinking water all day even when I wasn’t thirsty (truth be told I’m rarely thirsty at all). I started to gain weight as well. I do have a history (a LONG time ago) of being anorexic, and so I just figured that I haven’t eaten this calories in a while, probably ever, so it was one of those I’ll-adapt situations. Then, the overwhelming fatigue started to set in. It started out with just skipping a bike ride here and there and just occasionally going to the gym. Eventually, if I tried to exert myself, I’d feel like I wanted to throw up and the periphery of my vision would start to go black if I didn’t lie down. Some days I would have plans and just have to bail because I would be incapacitated, lying in my bed all day, no motivation or energy to move. (But I just had a 10-banana green smoothie!) My morning anxiety returned, reminiscent of my panic attack days in college (also when I was anorexic and essentially just drinking coffee). Just about a week or two ago, I realized enough is enough. I’m near my highest weight ever. I’m struggling to get through my days as a physical therapist when some days I would be performing an evaluation and it would seem like an out of body experience. The lights were really bright, I didn’t know what words were coming out of my mouth, I’d be nervous, and I just wanted to lie down.
It finally hit me in the head. This is what I had before, this is adrenal fatigue, this is what brought me to the hospital in my past. What the heck was doing it to me this time? I googled the topic to death. I read books, articles, testimonials. Apparently my exorbitantly high potassium, low sodium, and high water intake was killing my already weak adrenals. Honestly I thought that even though I continued to drink coffee prior to HCRV, that it wasn’t as much as in the past and I was significantly less stressed by my everyday life that they were healing alright. It turns out that cramming bananas and dates in large quantities into your system for weeks and months can revert those tiny adrenals into a state of stress.
Since then, I’ve pretty much given up fruit. GASP. I’ve started sea-salting my food consisting of oatmeal, rice, beans, and corn (and greens/veggies) and I haven’t had that horrible wave of fatigue since. I still feel low energy and have poor motivation, but I have a clarity that I didn’t have when I was bogged down by potassium. I feel like an idiot, but I also feel like this community doesn’t adequately warn against things like the possibility of adrenal fatigue. All I know is, it’s a real thing that unfortunately is not well-recognized by our medical (or banana-eating) community.
My plan is to continue with grains, stop the nightshades which were giving me pain, continue with sea salt, drink water as I’m thirsty, and try to figure out the calorie situation. Part of my reasoning with posting this was to bring attention to this problem so other people might be able to recognize the symptoms in themselves. I tried very hard to find a story like mine to get some answers, but couldn’t. I also want to just ask about calories. If someone is eating essentially McDougall-style, or HCCV, are calorie requirements the same? I’d imagine that I’m getting roughly 2000 calories this way (sometimes more, sometimes less) and though I don’t have crippling fatigue and weird light sensitivity and stuff, I do feel like I could have more energy. I just want to know if the same rules apply.
Anyway, thank you for reading. I have to anticipate some 30bad doubters (I need to see cronometer! You were undercarbing! Start running! 1# of greens?!?) but please believe me that I was and still am seriously struggling even just making it through the day doing HCRV “right.” Feedback is appreciated especially if you have made it through adrenal issues!”
I posted the above with the hopes that someone who suffered similar issues would be able to help. That, or someone could give me some good common sense advice, something that I now know. “Listen to your body, eat the healthy foods you crave, and only in the quantity that your body is truly hungry for.” I connected with a few very kind and supportive people from those comments, one of which is someone who led me here; however, a number of them stunned me. I told them I was following their diet, but of course they questioned it, claimed I was doing it wrong. Eventually, the thread was shut down and comments were even deleted. This was my cry for help, and they prevented others from chiming in to help. It’s amazing how brainwashed I feel now, believing that this diet was truly the way to go.
I was at such a low when I wrote that post. I hadn’t felt true hunger in months; I felt no thirst either. Then why was I eating and drinking my body into a state of havoc? Since writing that post, I decided to listen to my body. I never thought I would say this, but I’m currently fasting. I never believed in fasting. I considered going on fast something that people with eating disorders to do lose weight while simultaneously depriving themselves of the nutrients necessary to survive. Because I didn’t have hunger, I researched the topic extensively, and decided to try it. I felt a fog lift that first day and felt true energy. I really do feel like I’m giving my body a chance to heal. I plan on breaking the fast when my body tells me to, and not pressing on past that point. I just want to feel normal and heal whatever might be causing my problems.
Anyway, I could go on forever. Ultimately, when I break this fast, I plan on gradually returning to a high-carb cooked vegan diet, something along the lines of McDougall style. I feel fortunate to have found this community.
Hi everyone my name is Kate, and first off I would like to thank the creators of this blog/site. It was because of you and all the stories posted here that I was able to get over the guilt and shame of admitting 80/10/10 was not working for me. So a big THANK YOU to all.
Alright, so I found the raw lifestyle probably the beginning of 2010 and did a high fat gourmet raw. I couldn’t manage on that with the crazy amount of prep and intuitive feelings that it was not a truly healthy way of eating. So many nuts….bad digestion….eek!
I’m not sure exactly how I stumbled upon 811 but when I dove into the testimonies I thought I had found the holy grail of health. Of course looking at the pictures of Freelee were motivating but ultimately the promise of eat as much as you want and still lose the weight appealed to me. There is a wild egoic streak in me that loves to think that maybe I didn’t have to play by the “calories in vs. calories out rules” like all the rest of the suckers of the world. I love to pretend that I could break the rules and get by lol! Yes I’m an ego-maniac at times. So around August of 2010 I went off gourmet raw and on to 811. So therein initiated rotating 120lbs of bananas at various stages of ripening (both my husband and I tried this together) and buying massive amount of greens and other fruits.
At first I felt great. I had great energy, had improved digestion, and felt a proud sense of achievement that I was no longer bound to restaurants, doing dishes, not buying many self care products, because remember on 811 you won’t have bad breath, body odor, or get greasy hair…. ? I loved the idea of not cooking but at the same time felt a little bummed because there is nothing more ironic than a fantastic cook going HCRV.
The social aspect started to bother me a bit too after a while on the diet. Chugging down a 10 banana smoothie on the way to the meet family for mexican food and being the only one not eating was always a little awkward but not getting results from the diet I was singing praises about added insult to injury.
From the very beginning my skin went haywire. I experienced crazy acne from my cheekbones down to my chest and on my back. I had never had chest or back acne ever. But I figured, hey it’s detox right? Also had an interesting experience with my hair. At around the 3-4 month mark I started losing handfuls of hair everyday in the shower. I just kept telling myself it’s detox. I had even heard someone on 30BAD say that it’s normal so I just chucked it up to detox again, and watched more DR and FL videos telling myself the miracle was right around the corner. One thing I never considered was that if the hairloss was from the swift diet change, I would have lost hair in the very beginning not after 4 months on the diet which continued on for about 2 months….
I had trouble with cravings and managed to string many raw days together but eventually give in no matter how many raw calories I had that day. My cravings were never for fat or cooked carbs, but proteins. In the very end I ended up craving raw salmon so fiercely I just couldn’t ignore it.
So fast forward june/july of this year. After almost a year of struggling to do this diet perfectly, (putting weight gain, acne, hairloss, and low energy aside) I took one last ditch effort and reached out to a member on 30BAD. I had seen her struggling over the year I was a member there, but she all the sudden had starting to look more defined and was getting results. I emailed her complimenting her newly improved physique and asked if she could share what she was doing. She graciously replied and said that after a private consultation with Dr.G (poor girl that had to be expensive), he told her it’s not rocket science, if you want to lose weight you have to eat less. She had been eating 3-4k calories and she said she scaled WAY back, but did not give a specific number.
I had tried experimenting myself with eating less on 811, like somewhere around the 1800-2000 mark and just found that I felt spacey and had even less energy. I am 5’4” and started the diet somewhere around 145lbs and motivated primarily by weightloss. I mean FL is always bragging about losing 40lb on the diet so it’s not unrealistic to hope for some weightloss right? I stepped on the scale about a month ago and it said 158. I felt like such a failure. I mean, how could such an amazingly superior diet result in such poor results. Mind you I was exercising minimum 3 days a week alternating FLs famous sprint running with Dr G’s heavy 6 reps to failure weight lifting. I was fat, tired, had thinning hair, and just plain ashamed and embarassed. Being the prideful person I am I had trouble cutting my loses and was so grateful to talk to a wise friend of mine who is on a vegan and raw journey of her own. She too struggled with staying all raw and looked at other approaches, but left me with the wise simple advice to seek my own path which will work for me. In so many words, I needed to be true to myself. That was all. I needed to drop the bullsh*t dogma and to love myself again. Grateful that I have a friend who in so many words gave me the permission to be me again.
I come away from the whole experience realizing that I do not know what is best for others, but only what works for me. In the past I have had great success with the eat clean diet and am aiming again for that approach. I don’t have anything against 811 personally, but rather to those who narrow mindedly force feed dietary dogma promising that this is the best diet for EVERYONE unless you’re retarded and don’t do it exactly right.. I also have been able to re-define what the picture of health looks like to me, and that is not a underweight and undermuscled anorexic looking body. Most importantly I have a sense of humility that I do not need to spout off about the benefits of some magic lifestyle before I even have any experience/rewards from. So my quest begins to get back in touch with my body and NOT define myself by the way I eat. Thanks for reading.
If you get too much glucose you liver will store it as fat. I think one of the reasons the HCRV diet did not work for me was a fatty liver. Also I think I needed more trace minerals in my system to deal with the sugar. Any thoughts? Younger people seem to do best on this diet.