Why does every single fruitarian on YouTube look either old or anorexic, or both? If the 80/10/10 diet is so healthy then why do all these people look sick both physically and mentally? Have you ever wondered why? Kind of reminds me of when I used to ask myself why Victoria Boutenko was fat when she was promoting a raw food diet. At first I didn’t want to see it but over a period of time my blinders were removed and I realized that she must be eating other things on the side. Well, I was right and a short time later she admitted to everybody that she did in fact go back to eating cooked food. Now I’m just wondering how long it’s going to take for everybody to see through this 80/10/10 crap.
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
Harley (Durianriders) and Freelee the Banana Girl are famous for telling everybody to carb the f*ck up by “smashing in the calories”. So, when did Harley and Leanne get their degrees in physiology? It is a scientific FACT that you have to create a calorie deficit in order to LOSE WEIGHT. If you don’t exercise and sit around all day you cannot consume more calories than you expend and expect to lose weight. That’s just plain INSANE! Well …… I won’t go there but anyway, do you really think that Harley and Freelee have some sort of superhuman magical powers that the rest of us don’t? How is it possible that they can “smash in the calories” and lose weight yet the rest of us gain weight when we do the same? Harley and Freelee, I think it’s time to quit the bullshit and fess up.
Harout’s weight gain on the 80/10/10 diet – http://www.30bananasadaycult.com/deleted-thread-harouts-weight-gain-on-801010-diet/
Time for some more ass whooping. Freelee the Banana Girl brainiac is spreading her BS thigh gap propaganda all over YouTube and it’s messing with women’s heads and making them mentally ill. Stop lying to all your viewers Leanne and telling them that the reason that they don’t have a thigh gap is because they’re too fat. Just because you were born with a thigh gap, doesn’t mean every other woman is capable of having one. Actually, you’re in the minority so stop trying to get other women to conform to your insane unrealistic standards. Let’s vote to get Freelee and Durianrider kicked off YouTube for spreading BS and intoxicating the minds of all their viewers. Enough of the BS!
The Truth About Thigh Gaps (Part 1) – http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2013/12/the-truth-about-thigh-gaps/
What causes a thigh gap? – http://on.aol.com/video/what-causes-a-thigh-gap–517932701
Want a leg up on being beautiful? It’s all about the thigh gaps – http://www.about-face.org/want-a-leg-up-on-being-beautiful-its-all-about-the-thigh-gaps/
Member profile (Harley Johnstone AKA Durianrider) @ Organic Athlete – http://members.organicathlete.org/profiles/blogs/member-profile-harley-johnstone-aka-durianrider
I do not want to share this world with people like Freelee and Durianrider – http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2012/06/i-do-not-want-to-share-this-world-with-people-like-freelee-and-durianrider/
Freelee Banana Girl breast implants and hypocrisy – http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2013/12/freelee-banana-girl-breast-implants-hypocrisy/
Meeting Harley and Leanne – http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2013/07/meeting-harley-leanne/
As I walk around everyday my brain is programmed to recognize what nutrients I am lacking and to gently nudge me in the right direction. Sometimes the cravings can be intense – Ben and Jerry’s Ice Cream or Whole Milk fresh Mozzarella (when I need fats), an Umame flesh scream craving to munch a burger or get some rich unagi sushi (when I am low proteined), the huge desire for some fresh salad, or other times its a bowl of fresh homemade veggie soup. Other times its salts and carbs which urges me into spaghetti or chips. And other times but much more rarely, it’s a sweet tooth, which urges me to fruit.
Something has gone awry in the fruitarian mind that pushes them solely to fruit and raw vegetables. I think in a healthy mind the thought of eating 30 bananas a day would lead to vomiting. At a certain point, I’m tired of “sweet” and need to move on. For breakfast I might want a protein shake, or some hard boiled eggs, or some cereal. But to eat pineapple spears every day over and over for breakfast would surely drive me nuts.
I know that people who have issues with drugs require hyperstimulation to get the same effect. One wonders if it is not the same thing with food oddities like fruitarians who are frankly sugar overdosing. In our society being a carbaholic is very common, if only because high quality meats are so rare. When I watch Anthony Bourdain and see the huge pieces of delectable meats with huge pieces of roasted fat all dripping off the bone served EVEN IN POOR COMMUNITIES you realize America has become very very poor indeed with its quality of food. The NYC corridor is a bit better in some ways but prices are high. Average america does not even have quality meats or butcher shops in their groceries its all old meat. blech. no wonder people become vegetarians. Whole foods also has mostly old meat and poor cuts and often at huge prices – 20-30 a pound. That means to make a meal for six, at about 4 pounds of meat, that’s $100 just for the meat. Who can afford that! Even with good jobs who can afford 200 dollars on dinner every night?
Don’t get me wrong, I understand the ethical vegetarian very well as well. I applaud them. I’ve been one myself for 15 years. But so many great foods like long slow cooked acorn squash are not available to the fruitarian sugar addicts.
Hamburger, that’s disgusting slop not real meat. But that’s what’s reserved for the “masses” with its pink slime goodness. So yes I understand in this environment why people become vegetarian and fruitarian. It’s no longer so easy to run off to the woods and bring back a fresh wild turkey or pheasant. And in the store how much do they charge for a goose? Oh only 80 dollars. Ridiculous.
So my theory is that fruits and vegetables and meat are all of horrendous quality in our modern society. Moving to organic local produce fixes the produce and people end up eating only that. I don’t blame them. But if we hunted and brought home good fresh meat I wonder. In texas the resurgence of BBQ is really no more than a resurgence in finding a nice piece of quality meat and cooking it slowly with real wood. Hmmm.
trying to lose weight through weight lifting, low carb diets, lots of protein, and calorie restriction? of course i thought of you, my friends here on 30badsucks.
I’m not sure what side of the fence I’m on. Both paleo type diets and low fat diets with a lot of fruit or starch have some appealing elements. There are folks on here who vouch for both, providing fascinating studies and interesting anecdotal evidence, which unfortunately hasn’t helped me make any kind of choice. I also feel that bias is a problem, where people may be ignoring problems they are having on their diet just so they can propagate it to others.
It seems like some people function best on high carb and some on high fat. I have no idea which of those I am. I thought it might be fun to do a trial run of each of these diets for a short period like a month each. For example, spend a month following a high carb raw vegan diet – possibly including cooked starches – followed by a low carb paleo or primal approach. This would open me up to new ways of eating and help me figure out what works best for me. I also don’t have an agenda; I’m genuinely curious about how these diets could work for me in terms of energy, mood, focus, etc.
I thought it might be a good idea to report back and add another opinion to the melting pot.
I think a month is long enough to work through any “detox” or “carb flu”. Also, does anyone has recommendations to make both a fair
trial? I know things like dates and dairy are grey areas that can give people problems. I’d also like to make sure I’m doing them right!
Well, last night I made a crack about the Rivendell elvin dinner scene in The Hobbit being like going to an 801010 picnic with vain hippies. It reminded me of Doug Graham and how once upon a time I believed his gospel (even spent money on his fucking books…) and made myself miserable trying to follow it “100%”. I googled “doug graham exposed as fraud” on a whim which led me to this site.
I could hardly believe that Harley is still active and an even bigger douche than he used to be. I was dismayed to see Freelee is still with him… I had hoped she would have woken up and gotten far, far away by now.
I met both Harley & Leanne in person around 2007 I think it was, just the one time. This was before they were together. I thought it would interest people to share impressions of them as I get the idea not many people here have met them in person, just interacted with them online.
At the time I was a regular poster on the Australian forum, Raw Pleasure. Harley used to be a regular poster there too, as was Freelee, which is how they met, I believed.
At the Mind Body Spirit festival in Sydney, Raw Pleasure had a stall and a bunch of us volunteered time to work on it, Harley and Freelee included.
I never had any personal dustups with Harley, apart from telling him to get stuffed a couple of times (he tried to tell women how to dress and groom… which is patronising in the extreme… kept telling us not to wear makeup etc which is why I chose such a heavily made up pic for my avatar… sucked in “bro”). But nothing major. . I didn’t stick around on the forums long enough for that, though if I had I’m sure I would’ve served him a good go. Mostly I ignored him. But on account of his abusive, manipulative and egomaniacal behaviour I have always recalled him with disgust and contempt.
I saw on one of the many links I read here last night that Harley claims to be 6ft. Well, I am 5’3″ and that day I was wearing 2″ heels and he was shorter than me. I know it’s well-established he’s a pathological liar, but I thought some might smirk at that.
(edited to add: it seems I’ve recollected this incorrectly as other consensus has he’s around 5’10″ – 11″. The memory of looking down on him was strong; it’s likely he was sitting and/or hunching. My SINCEREST apologies for this terribly slanderous accusation against you, Harley!)
In person he was twitchy, edgy and obviously awkward. He kept asking me questions and then chuckling in this weird, uncomfortable way like he didn’t know how to respond to the information or sustain a conversation. It was very clear to me he was socially inept and didn’t know how to deal with a strong personality that looked at him with disinterest. Straight up, I work in the adult entertainment biz. Harley was fascinated by the amount of money I made, how much rent I paid, where I lived, etc and asked questions about it. Even back then he was going on and on about his ‘pure’ lifestyle, living off the earth (the dole), rorting the system, playing on people’s hospitality, no need for money bullshit, etc etc etc. Well for someone who doesn’t care about money he sure was interested in mine. I thought for a guy who plays so tough and assertive online that he sure was a weaselly little type. And that’s mainly what I remember: a weaselly little guy who stood around grinning for no reason, like a little gnome. He also had zero charm and charisma and had absolutely no idea how to talk or interact with people. It was dreadful. The point of the stall was to get people interested in raw food but Harley’s approach with them sent them all scurrying away. He was overly aggressive and in their faces but was unable to present the information in a simple, captivating or intriguing way. He came off as a weirdo and they responded to him as such… with wide eyes, awkward glances and backing away as quick as they could. I remember when it was just him and me on the stall feeling so frustrated… because of course there was no way he could let a woman talk over him so anytime I was talking to people about what was actually important, he’d shove a recipe book in their faces and be like ‘see, a raw hamburger’ and people would just get confused… then he’d take over and they’d walk away. A bunch of people thought he was great back then cos of the way he presented himself on the forums (as 100% 811 elite athlete), so people were excited to meet him… I just remember being so underwhelmed and like… who is this little weasel… he is trying too hard… but being polite for the sake of others.
It was because of people like Harley that I became disillusioned with raw community (not raw eating) and shifted out of it. It became obvious to me so quickly that it functioned as a cult, that people came to it claiming to want better health but really just wanting to be thin, that multiple people were masking eating disorders under the diet. Myself included. I have always struggled with eating disordered behaviour and am extremely analytical and observant so while I got sucked in for a while (which I think is easy for any one to do because of the cult-like qualities of how these people operate), I woke up pretty soon and distanced myself from the community. But for all my insecurities and vulnerabilities, I am a really strong, tough woman and what I observed in droves were very vulnerable women with major self-esteem issues becoming prey to men like Harley. Before being with Freelee, Harley “seduced” (manipulated) at least one other woman on the forum, a happily married woman, who was desperately insecure, majorly eating disordered and obsessed with trying to be the perfect 811 woman at Harley’s beckoning and insistence. They had an affair before she had a major wake up call and after that she became a lot more critically aware of Harley’s bullshit and no longer let it pass… thank god. This woman also went on to have a major health crisis on 811 and started eating cooked food again, which got her better. Though last I heard she was in pursuit of perfect 811ism again… but that is about her own pathological behaviour and need to be so in control.
Both hers and Harley’s behaviour, to my observation, speak of major imbalance and deficiency. The more extreme they got with their diet, the more whacky and irrational and stupid they seemed to get (this woman was converting her cat to a vegan diet last time we spoke, which horrified me). This woman reminds me of Freelee in a lot of ways…
… when I left the forums, Freelee and Harley were a new couple and it was with the sense of watching a train wreck that I observed their dynamics. I met Freelee at the stall also, the next day, when it was just her and me. A quiet, insecure, shy, awkward woman… with obvious incredible insecurity and major self-esteem problems. Ripe for the taking by someone like Harley. The douche knows his targets and he pursues them. Freelee was sweet back in those days. I thought she was a twit, but a sweet one and certainly a well-intentioned one. She didn’t claim to be a guru or an expert. She was a student back then and just wanted raw so she could be super thin and healthy and fit and wanted to go about it the right way. Once Harley sunk his claws in…
… I actually distinctly remember someone… perhaps even Gosia (not sure tho)… outright saying Harley was emotionally abusing her on the forum. And I agree. And I think this is the key behind to why she is still with him and parroting his ludicrous schtick. I know it’s hard from the outside to understand how an abusive relationship functions and when we see victims behaving badly to comprehend that they are under the thumb of the person abusing them, but I do believe this is what’s going on with Freelee. At the time it was so obvious Harley was puppeteering her and that she was vulnerable and receptive to it… that she saw his attention as validation. He was able to swoop in and take control of her life and manipulate her into the woman he wanted… she didn’t have a strong enough personality or sense of identity to resist and he could just lump her into being (or at least presenting) what he thought was ideal… a passive, receptive dummy who worships him and does what he says. Honestly, I feel terrible for her. I realise that she’s said and done some shitty things and I’m not excusing them, but I just remember her vulnerable, frail, meek presence and I cringe to think of how Harley has manipulated her. Never underestimate the devastation that psychological abuse can yield.
Again, it’s that cult quality coming back in. And this is what makes me so nervous, more than anything else, about Harley & his behaviour… that long term the people most vulnerable to it are young women (Freelee was 21 at the time I think…) and teenage girls who want to be thin as thin can be… who are made so impressionable and insecure by the world around them, just waiting for someone like Harley and the irresponsible and dangerous junk he is cramming into their heads… his psychotic obsession with thinness, like it is the one worthwhile quality to judge people by, is terrifying and the impact it could have on women & girls… that it probably is having and I think has already had on Freelee… is chilling.
All I can say in conclusion is I am so glad a lot of people recognise this about Harley & Graham & the others and are speaking out.