30bananasaday makes a point of “calling out” raw gurus for all sorts of errors and they describe it as “holding them to a higher standard”.
I am not aware if any of them know about what I am about to post, but I think they do because several of their members know about it and Freelee had posted a thread about the time it happened on how she was against fasting. She cited the damage it does to your metabolism, but she never mentioned this very important information about the people that provide the fasting services. I think it’s a big ommission and warrants anyones consideration who might be considering doing an extended water-only fast.
Let me just say that I myself have done three unsupervised water-only fasts: a 12-day, a 16-day and a 22-day where the first week was only OJ and then the last two weeks was water only. So I have experienced water fasting personally.
I am also a big believer in Natural Hygiene principals but feel a few of them are severely outdated and need to be brought more in line with new evidence of better ways of doing things. I think that juice fasting is far safer and far better for you than water fasting and will achieve all the same benefits.
If you haven’t seen the movie Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead, I encourage you to. These people had chronic skin conditions clear up, got off of medications, lost weight and had chronic migraines clear up. What lures people to water fasting is the success stories of people getting healthy and losing weight. That’s all fine and well, but what most people who run fasting centers don’t tell you is that you can save your money and do a juice fast, an extended one, at home, still go to work and save your money and still get all the same benefits.
It has become my belief that water-only fasting creates serious deficiencies that are not easily corrected. You are going for days taking in zero nutrition and the body is living off of that nutrition.
There was a woman who died at Doug Graham’s Costa Rican walking tourlast year after having fasted for four weeks. She was 65 years old. After having been on a deficient SAD diet for years and then water-only for a month, she collapsed while doing the Costa Rican walking tour after refeeding for two weeks which she should not have been doing as walking through those hills requires a pretty high level of fitness as I understand it’s a pretty tough trek through there. Dr. Alan Goldhamer of True North Fasting center wrote an article on his website saying that the post-fast was the most critical time of the fast and “over-extertion could be disasterous”.
I personally blacked out while on a treadmill after one of my fasts because I exercised too soon afterwards.
Doug’s assistant explained what happened as this woman died due to a heart arrythmia that she did not “disclose” but this woman was a MD, so I have a hard time believing that she didn’t disclose it. Heart arrythmias are caused by low potassium and anorexics die from it all the time. Both are caused by lack of nutrients from NOT EATING.
After I heard about the death at Doug’s event, people e-mailed me telling me that they were never required to fill out medical forms prior to fasting with him back in 2007 and 2008, even though he makes a big deal of calling himself a “Dr.” and when I suggested that he require pre-fasting blood tests (which would have caught the diabetes of another death that happened at his fasting center a few years ago that she “didn’t disclose) and blood testing during fasting which would have caught the low potassium in Jane the woman who died this last year (like they do at True North Fasting Center even though they are less expensive than Doug’s), he never responded (this was on his Vegsource forum) and in fact, DELETED the thread.
You can read the whole thing here:
Niether Doug Graham nor Loren Lockman of Tanglewood allow enemas for people who’s bowels don’t restart after refeeding. A man who fasted with Loren at Tanglewood posted an awful account of how he was straining for hours to have a bowel movement after refeeding and a woman who fasted with Doug wanted an enema because her bowels didn’t restart after refeeding for a week and Doug wouldn’t let her have an enema. Finally, after her insisting, he gave her one with a garden hose and sesame oil.
Juice fasting has none of the risks that water fasting does. I am on Day 23 and I’ve had bowel movements and am getting all my electrolytes so no fear of low potassium levels.
AND, you don’t have to travel across the world and pay thousands of dollars. You can do it at home and don’t need supervision.
When I found out about Jane Mutti’s death the first thing I did was e-mail Doug assistant and ask if it was true. It was confirmed and I was asked not to say anything to anyone about it. I did not feel comfortable with this as people have a right to know if they are considering fasting there.
When I was at Doug’s 80/10/10 Culinary class in Washington someone in class point blank asked Doug if anybody had ever died while fasting with him. (This was before the above-mentioned death) He asked him this in front of the whole class. Someone who was there confirmed that they remembered hearing what I heard: Doug said yes, a woman who didn’t “disclose” she had diabetes. Now, that’s a red flag for me, since that’s now two people who died because they supposedly didn’t disclose a medical condition. If that happened under my care, I would want to do better screening to keep people honest, which is why I was shocked to hear that previous fasters back in 2007/2008 were not required to fill out medical histories and Doug never even inquired about why they were there to fast.
Doug denied ever saying that that woman had died who had diabetes and then made up some weird story that she was an intern who got better while at the hospital and came back to intern. I’ve had two separate people verify they heard Doug say the same thing that I heard so he flat out LIED about it. (I am referring to the Vegsource thread link above)
His answer in the Vegsource thread was very flippant and disrespectful “if someone has a heart attack while at a movie theater is it the movie theaters fault?”
Um, it is if you don’t feed them for FOUR WEEKS and then take them on a jaunt through the hills of Costa Rica and they collapse on you.
I had suggested to Doug’s assistant that Doug put an announcement on his website stating that due to recent tragic events, that he was instituting new screening measures such as pre-fast blood tests and testing during the fast, just like True North Fasting Center requires and I never heard back from him. In the meantime, they just kept on promoting their fasting event via videos and such just like business as usual.
Financially, fasting is big business. Doug charges some $11,000 for people to fast with him in Costa Rica. With 12 fasters, that’s $131,000. Then the interns have to pay $5500 just for the priviledge of working there which I understand is a very gruelling schedule. Sure, they get to hear lectures with Doug, but some are so tired from the schedule that they don’t get much out of it.
Doug has said his fees are so high because of the organic fruit he buys. It was found out that one year and other times, that the fruit wasn’t even organic.
I think there is a lot of people who know a lot more but never come forward because they put Doug up on some pedestal as if he’s above being held accountable. As far as I know, four people have died and that’s just from what other people have told me. There might possibly be more.
The interns are completely inexperienced and unqualified. At True North, there is an MD with the interns at all times and even the interns have degrees.
I think people need to stop being so gullible and star struck and start asking some good questions.
Or, save your money and just do a good juice fast at home.
Now, let me just say that I do not personally think that the 80/10/10 Diet is as bad as perhaps others on this site feel. I think it needs to be done right with lots of vegetables and greens and not overloading food into one’s mouth, but that’s just my personal experience.
If Doug had just stayed with his Health and Fitness Week events and his book and perhaps did a juice fasting event in Costa Rica, I would be all for it.
However, I am deeply disappointed by the lack of integrity and character shown by him and basically the whole Foodnsport/30bad crew. It did feel very cultish when I came out with this information and people just swept it under the rug. I was flabberghasted especially because anybody in real life that I tell this story is as shocked as I am.
I hope people read this and become a bit more cautious in who they believe in and start asking better questions and stop taking such huge risks with their lives.This is the internet, folks, and it’s easy to be fooled and a lot of the people following this crowd are young and in their 20′s with very little life experience and are poor judges of character.
True North would be my ONLY recommendation if you really feel you must water-fast as they have an excellent reputation, but even then I would say save your money and just do a juice fast. You are getting super nutrition and the same great results, it just may take you longer.
If this post helps even one person, it has achieved it’s aim. I hope Doug starts implementing blood tests for those contemplating fasting and blood tests during so if one’s potassium levels get dangerously low he can stop the fast. I also hope he puts the Costa Rican walking tour BEFORE the fast instead of after so that recovering fasters do not put unnecessary strain on their already depleted bodies.
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