“Dr.” Doug Graham posted this 2 days ago on Vegsource in response to someone talking about vitamins: Note, HE is talking about giving dangerous and illegal advice!! Are they all hypocrites? I’m pretty sure that giving someone an enema with a garden hose and having people DIE at your “resort” might be illegal also. How is this man not in jail????
While I appreciate that you may have every intention of helping people, and I understand that you may believe that all you have done is share your experiences with others, there is a section in your initial reply to David that is simply unacceptable on this forum. In future, please be very careful when you give advice, and clearly note when you are sharing your own personal experiences.
Please do not diagnose, prognose, or prescribe here, as you clearly did when you wrote: “What you need is to take a multivitamin supplement.
Take 2 tablets instead of the recommended one and
make sure you are eating a high carb diet,
This will get rid of your depression within a week.”
Such action is illegal, and will get you banned from the VS boards should it happen again.”
By Denise Minger
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Hi I hate to make such a vanity-focused topic but admittedly I do care how my abdomen looks for my future potential partner and am really genuinely confused as to why these nomadic tribes eating what is essentially a “pure” natural diet exhibit these protruding pot-bellied abdomens. In analyzing many pictures of vegans I tend not to see such protruding abdomens; yet I would never believe it to be the meat causing this. I’m curious what you guys think of the starches causing this? Starch from the sago palm for example is a “staple” of some of these tribes I have analyzed; when you label something a “staple” it usually means it is consumed in a great quantity so I wonder if they are eating mainly starch vs the meat?
The pictures below are of the Korowai or Kombai tribes which I noticed to exhibit the most protruding bellies.
Some of my personal observations: it tends to be more of the women who exhibit the pot-bellies, but some males have it to. An interesting perspective on this is maybe as a guy (myself) who grew up seeing overly-thin women portrayed in the entertainment scene I have lost the ability to observe what is only a “normal” abdomen on a person. ??
I’m thinking it’s the starches that is causing these pot-bellies but that would mean most vegans would have bellies like this and that’s just not true in the slightest. There has to be some cause for this, it can’t just be another “you can’t help it it’s genetics” bs argument can it?
Dear Samuel ,
Your e-petition “Stop serving carcinogenic animal protein in NHS hospitals.” hasn’t been accepted.
There is already an e-petition about this issue.
please see: Introduce minimum standards for Hospital food (at least equal to those already in place at schools and prisons)
If you’d like to submit a new e-petition, please read the site’s terms and conditions which explain the rules in detail.
HM Government e-petitions
HOW HAS HOSPITAL FOOD PRESENTATION GOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANIMAL PROTEIN… THAT OTHER APPEAL HAS NO RELATION TO MINE…THOSE PEOPLE JUST WANT STEAK AND EGGS AND CHEDDAR, RATHER THAN MICRO-HOT DOGS AND CHEESE
So I was looking at the woodstock fruit festival site the other day and I got to thinking about a lot of the hypocrisy of a lot of these guys.
For example, Harley has repeatedly criticized Mark Sisson and others for using old photos. Yet looking at the festival website, the photos of Harley, Freelee, and Doug Graham are all old. Same with other gurus like Tim Van Orden. Megan Elizabeth, and Dan the Man. I mean how old is that photo of Doug Graham?
It seems like Doug Graham uses the “Dr.” to make it seem like he is a medical doctor or something. He is nothing more than a chiropractor. I mean it’s like if a PHD went around saying, “I’m doctor so and so.”
A few months ago, Tim Van Orden posted a video about his running raw project and said he was not making any money and how he was living off his parents to a degree and also that his cat needed an operation and he couldn’t afford it. He was thinking of suspending the raw running project. I’m not sure if the video is still up or not. But here is a guy that talks about how animals suffer because of our diet and how it’s cruel. Here is another thing that is cruel- having pets and not having the means to care for them.
Harley likes to hide behind and quote doctors like Dr. Esselstyn. Yet Dr. Esselstyn cautions against eating three serving of fruit per day and also against blending them in a blender.
Freelee tells us that she went straight from anorexia to bulimia. Bullshit. She has no clue what anorexia is or entails. These are serious psychological problems. Typically, one doesn’t go from one to the other. Also all the before photos we see of her, she is overweight- hardly the trait of someone who suffers from anorexia or bulimia.
Harley criticizes others for selling items when promoting their message- all a money grab. So why is it okay for Rip Esselstyn to sell a line of products in health stores, yet it’s not alright for Mark Sisson and others to sell stuff online.
DR talks about how he spends 12 hours a day at the computer helping people and doesn’t really train all that much. Yet then her turns around and brags about all the races his participates in and wins. In January, he cycled the most miles out of anyone on Strava. In order to be able to cycle that much, you need to put serious miles on the bike for along period of time. 30 minutes a day or a few hours per week, isn’t going to cut it. Oh and 100% fruit is the ideal diet for sports, that why Harley had to eat cooked plant food when he did the January cycling challenge.
Finally Harley talks about how water fasting and fasts in general are complete bullshit. Yet his mentor, Doug Graham, regularly advises his patients to undergo water fasting. In 2011, someone died while at one of his water fasting retreats. By the way, Doug charges up to $15,000 for his retreats, but it’s Mark Sisson who is a fraud for selling a $15 supplement. Ironically, despite charging these astronomical fees for retreats, Doug Graham donated a whopping $100 to the wood stock fruit festival.
In fact, all carnivores should become extinct!
“Here, then, is where matters stand thus far. It would be good to prevent the vast suffering and countless violent deaths caused by predation. There is therefore one reason to think that it would be instrumentally good if predatory animal species were to become extinct and be replaced by new herbivorous species, provided that this could occur without ecological upheaval involving more harm than would be prevented by the end of predation. The claim that existing animal species are sacred or irreplaceable is subverted by the moral irrelevance of the criteria for individuating animal species. I am therefore inclined to embrace the heretical conclusion that we have reason to desire the extinction of all carnivorous species, and I await the usual fate of heretics when this article is opened to comment.”
i will say nothing…
No? okay then, please wake me up when we do…and please have my giant banana smoothie all made up when we get there..
Wait, what? They don’t have smoothies in Utopia? Nor bananas? But this is Utopia! How can they have bananas and smoothies where I’m from, and not in Utopia?
Can’t we just order some bananas from Chiquita and then send them up too Utopia? Please?
Nope..Chiquita doesn’t deal with Utopians anymore..
Something about Utopia being too good for bananas…..That and the fact that they ran out after some people declared a Banana Republic and wiped out all the bananas..couldnt plant banana trees fast enough, and decided it was too much work to focus on bananas as a staple for people and the concensus was to impeach the Banana republic and the land was barren of bananas ever since..
Oh, how sad..
Yes, truly a marvelous charade too watch..In the end, both parties were happy. Eventually, the banana believers, moved on to another fruit as their staple, and all was calm, until they wiped that fruit out too. And the rest of us, who saw beyond the banana, lived too never hear another banana drama again.
Hey look! We just reached Utopia! Have you ever seen such a gorgeous site?